In the BYU thread displaced discusses the mistake of hiring Detmer to be the OC down at BYU. Since it appears proper etiquette requires posting of topics in proper threads, I'm starting a new one. This is not a reply to the Detmer post (I don't care about BYU), but an offshoot of it.
I understand the gist of the assertion concerning Detmer was Kalani made a mistake in handing the keys of an FBS offense to a coach with little more than high school coaching experience.
How different is Taylor from Detmer? Taylor had the one year at an FCS program. Iirc, he also coached in the PAC-10 way back in the day.
I know there are situations where high school coaches have turned out great at the FBS level, eventually. Taylor could too. Or, not. I have no idea. I just know winning is more fun than losing and Utah Football is not fun right now.
Going back to the Detmer point, I sense most regular posters will agree that Kalani rectified his "mistake" in cutting Detmer lose and replacing him with Grimes. This brings up Skull's proverb that it is "better to panic early than to panic late." Kalani therefore might be Exhibit A on how to panic early and mitigate your loss.
I think an outsider might view Utah's offensive drought and say, "the root cause is lack of continuity." That's too superficial; it's a given, and only raises the chicken or the egg conundrum. Is Kyle's prolonged offensive drought caused by too much panicking early, or too many poor hires? I think it's the latter, which leads us back to what to do about Taylor: do we have a poor hiring decision, or a situation where one should not panic too early?
Certainly, on-field results speak for themselves. Stats are stats. He's not getting it done. Yet.
However, the guys who used to run this asylum posited that a college football assistant coach's job goes way beyond teaching technique and getting kids ready to play. While I think that view probably is more apt in the case of position coaches, Taylor is a position coach. He's not just a play caller and the offensive architect.
Dennis E. was great because, among other things, he was well respected, especially in Florida, and opened up a recruiting pipeline there. I think he was also viewed as a potential mentor to younger coaches. IMO, I think the DE experience was one of panicking too early.
DC was (or is widely viewed as) a cancer; a guy whose lack of ability to interact properly with staff and students undermined anything he brought in terms of Xs and Os. Panicked just in time.
ARod, I've been told, was a good recruiter; maybe not great, but good. I think the same view is widely held about ARod's slash: /Harding. I know views are mixed on Harding's abilities as a position coach. IMO: in retrospect, jettisoning the HardRod duo seems like a jump from frying pan into the fire.
So, here we are: in the fire.
Besides orchestrating the offense, what is, or isn't, Taylor bringing to the table that should be considered in the evaluation of whether to, um, fire him (to be blunt and concise)? Kiel McDonald? DC's greatest contribution, or longest lasting, was Harding. Is McDonald Taylor's Harding? What else?
I understand the gist of the assertion concerning Detmer was Kalani made a mistake in handing the keys of an FBS offense to a coach with little more than high school coaching experience.
How different is Taylor from Detmer? Taylor had the one year at an FCS program. Iirc, he also coached in the PAC-10 way back in the day.
I know there are situations where high school coaches have turned out great at the FBS level, eventually. Taylor could too. Or, not. I have no idea. I just know winning is more fun than losing and Utah Football is not fun right now.
Going back to the Detmer point, I sense most regular posters will agree that Kalani rectified his "mistake" in cutting Detmer lose and replacing him with Grimes. This brings up Skull's proverb that it is "better to panic early than to panic late." Kalani therefore might be Exhibit A on how to panic early and mitigate your loss.
I think an outsider might view Utah's offensive drought and say, "the root cause is lack of continuity." That's too superficial; it's a given, and only raises the chicken or the egg conundrum. Is Kyle's prolonged offensive drought caused by too much panicking early, or too many poor hires? I think it's the latter, which leads us back to what to do about Taylor: do we have a poor hiring decision, or a situation where one should not panic too early?
Certainly, on-field results speak for themselves. Stats are stats. He's not getting it done. Yet.
However, the guys who used to run this asylum posited that a college football assistant coach's job goes way beyond teaching technique and getting kids ready to play. While I think that view probably is more apt in the case of position coaches, Taylor is a position coach. He's not just a play caller and the offensive architect.
Dennis E. was great because, among other things, he was well respected, especially in Florida, and opened up a recruiting pipeline there. I think he was also viewed as a potential mentor to younger coaches. IMO, I think the DE experience was one of panicking too early.
DC was (or is widely viewed as) a cancer; a guy whose lack of ability to interact properly with staff and students undermined anything he brought in terms of Xs and Os. Panicked just in time.
ARod, I've been told, was a good recruiter; maybe not great, but good. I think the same view is widely held about ARod's slash: /Harding. I know views are mixed on Harding's abilities as a position coach. IMO: in retrospect, jettisoning the HardRod duo seems like a jump from frying pan into the fire.
So, here we are: in the fire.
Besides orchestrating the offense, what is, or isn't, Taylor bringing to the table that should be considered in the evaluation of whether to, um, fire him (to be blunt and concise)? Kiel McDonald? DC's greatest contribution, or longest lasting, was Harding. Is McDonald Taylor's Harding? What else?
