Man, BYU fans on twitter are fun, scary, but fun... I saw some "reasonable" BYU fans I follow retweet a clip where Collin Cowherd said nice things about them, basically he put them in a 4th group of 5-6 of all time college football programs. In that 16-24 range if you do simple math. One of the things that he noted was BYU's "success in Bowls."
Well I tweeted to my friend (and Collin I guess) that BYU is 13-20-1 (0.397) in Bowl Games, is the #67 football program in all-time W/L%, and is owned by their rival...
My, my you think that I had just insulted the virtue of every daughter in cooger nation...
Well that is just the precursor to this post, I got my data from CFB_data_warehouse (which is great site when you have arguments about historical data, well as long as the argument involves college football.
Since one of things that BYU fan use to defend the honor of their daughters... err favorite football program was literally that nothing before 1971 should count... I don't agree, but I do think the value of the deep past is less relevant than more recent data.
It turns out that CFB_data_warehouse has ranking system that awards points for W/L record, bowl wins, national championships and what not... without diving too deep into the actual ranking methodology I noticed that they have tables showing how programs fair on their system going back 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 50, 100 yrs and even all-time (going back to 1869).
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/last_100_years_team_rankings.php
Here is the page if you want to look for yourself.
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/last_100_years_team_rankings.php
FTR: All-Time Utah is their #75 rated program (out of 125 current D-IA./FBS teams). BYU checks in at #85.
However I tabled and charted how BYU and Utah compare when you look back recently and then deeper into history.
For picture people:
Obviously you want to be under your rival on this graph.
Really this data just shows what Ute fans (and a lot of reasonable BYU fans) already know, in the early 1990's, let's say 1993 (22 years ago) Utah caught and proceeded to pass BYU as Football program.
And yes if you were a technical stock trader you might squint hard and see a couple of trend lines there, but I will someone else make the case if that has any merit.
Well I tweeted to my friend (and Collin I guess) that BYU is 13-20-1 (0.397) in Bowl Games, is the #67 football program in all-time W/L%, and is owned by their rival...
My, my you think that I had just insulted the virtue of every daughter in cooger nation...
Well that is just the precursor to this post, I got my data from CFB_data_warehouse (which is great site when you have arguments about historical data, well as long as the argument involves college football.
Since one of things that BYU fan use to defend the honor of their daughters... err favorite football program was literally that nothing before 1971 should count... I don't agree, but I do think the value of the deep past is less relevant than more recent data.
It turns out that CFB_data_warehouse has ranking system that awards points for W/L record, bowl wins, national championships and what not... without diving too deep into the actual ranking methodology I noticed that they have tables showing how programs fair on their system going back 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 50, 100 yrs and even all-time (going back to 1869).
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/last_100_years_team_rankings.php
Here is the page if you want to look for yourself.
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/last_100_years_team_rankings.php
FTR: All-Time Utah is their #75 rated program (out of 125 current D-IA./FBS teams). BYU checks in at #85.
However I tabled and charted how BYU and Utah compare when you look back recently and then deeper into history.
For picture people:
Obviously you want to be under your rival on this graph.
Really this data just shows what Ute fans (and a lot of reasonable BYU fans) already know, in the early 1990's, let's say 1993 (22 years ago) Utah caught and proceeded to pass BYU as Football program.
And yes if you were a technical stock trader you might squint hard and see a couple of trend lines there, but I will someone else make the case if that has any merit.
